17-0 Pokémon Football guide: best team, pick helper and odds

Pick helper

Type the Pokémon your spin offers and untick the spots you've filled. It shows where each one beats a normal spin most, and when to re-spin.

How to win Spin & Pick

We played the same 10,000 runs of spins with each habit (4 options, final forms only, Legendaries on, 4 re-spins: the game's defaults) and scored every finished lineup with the game's odds of 17-0. Same spins, different choices.

1. Don't just take the highest score. That's what Auto-fill does, and it fills the spots that score high anyway. A 110 at cornerback is ordinary; a 110 at fullback is rare.
2. Place each pick where it beats a normal spin. For every open spot, compare the offer's score with what a spin usually gives there (table below), and multiply by how much the spot counts. Take the biggest. The pick helper above does the sum.
3. Re-spin when nothing beats a normal spin. You get four. Spending them on offers that fall short at every open spot takes the 17-0 rate from 18% to 23% in Gen I, and from 8% to 17% with all generations.
4. Don't push every good Pokémon to quarterback. QB counts double, but filling the heaviest spot first leaves holes elsewhere: 6% in Gen I, the worst habit we tried.
5. Keep Final forms only and Legendaries ticked. Unticking final forms drops the 17-0 rate to 4% in Gen I; turning Legendaries off, to 11%.

Best Free Draft team

The strongest 22 under each cap, solved exactly (every Pokémon, every spot, the cap as the only limit). Each cell is the Team OVR and the odds of 17-0 (phones show the odds only).

• Spend on the spots that count. The best all-generations team at 10,800 puts Kyogre at QB and Eternatus at WR, and plays Wishiwashi (175 BST, a score of 1) at C: the BST saved there buys more at QB and WR than a real C would add.
• Untick “Final forms only” in the list. It's only a filter. The best Gen I team at 10,800 has 7 Pokémon that aren't final forms (Dragonair, Onix, Rhyhorn, Graveler, Lickitung, Scyther, Rhydon), and the list hides them until you untick it.
• In Gen I a bigger cap stops helping at 11,675 BST. That's the best Gen I team there is: 51%.

Gen I, 10,800 BST (the default)

Spot	Pokémon	Score	BST
QB	Mewtwo L	140	680
HB	Aerodactyl	119	515
FB	Snorlax	129	540
WR	Dragonair (not final)	110	420
WR	Gyarados	131	540
TE	Moltres L	121	580
LT	Onix (not final)	111	385
LG	Rhyhorn (not final)	98	345
C	Dragonite	129	600
RG	Graveler (not final)	94	390
RT	Lickitung (not final)	89	385
DE	Kangaskhan	106	490
NT	Golem	120	495
DE	Dodrio	108	470
OLB	Scyther (not final)	111	500
ILB	Pinsir	105	500
ILB	Rhydon (not final)	109	485
OLB	Tauros	108	490
CB	Electrode	115	490
CB	Jolteon	115	525
S	Tentacruel	111	515
S	Hitmonlee	110	455

Offense 60.2, defense 52.4, Team OVR 56.3, 10,795 BST spent. Odds of 17-0: 34%, 16.0 expected wins.

All generations, 10,800 BST

Spot	Pokémon	Score	BST
QB	Kyogre L	154	670
HB	Barraskewda	123	490
FB	Makuhita (not final)	74	237
WR	Wailord	155	500
WR	Eternatus L	216	690
TE	Rayquaza L	172	680
LT	Steelix	145	510
LG	Bergmite (not final)	81	304
C	Wishiwashi	1	175
RG	Roggenrola (not final)	74	280
RT	Cosmoem L (not final)	122	400
DE	Doduo (not final)	75	310
NT	Avalugg	141	514
DE	Darmanitan	121	480
OLB	Weavile	122	510
ILB	Great Tusk	141	570
ILB	Stonjourner	127	470
OLB	Sneasler	123	510
CB	Zacian L	160	660
CB	Zamazenta L	160	660
S	Roaring Moon	148	590
S	Iron Boulder	143	590

Offense 69.6, defense 73.8, Team OVR 71.7, 10,800 BST spent. Odds of 17-0: 31%, 15.9 expected wins.

All generations, 12,000 BST

Spot	Pokémon	Score	BST
QB	Kyogre L	154	670
HB	Barraskewda	123	490
FB	Makuhita (not final)	74	237
WR	Wailord	155	500
WR	Eternatus L	216	690
TE	Rayquaza L	172	680
LT	Steelix	145	510
LG	Stonjourner	131	470
C	Groudon L	152	670
RG	Rhyhorn (not final)	98	345
RT	Cosmoem L (not final)	122	400
DE	Darmanitan	121	480
NT	Avalugg	141	514
DE	Cetitan	125	521
OLB	Sneasler	123	510
ILB	Buzzwole	141	570
ILB	Great Tusk	141	570
OLB	Koraidon L	156	670
CB	Zacian L	160	660
CB	Zamazenta L	160	660
S	Iron Boulder	143	590
S	Roaring Moon	148	590

Offense 84.8, defense 82.4, Team OVR 83.6, 11,997 BST spent. Odds of 17-0: 84%, 16.8 expected wins.

All generations, no cap

Spot	Pokémon	Score	BST
QB	Kyogre L	154	670
HB	Regieleki L	140	580
FB	Iron Hands	142	570
WR	Eternatus L	216	690
WR	Yveltal L	157	680
TE	Rayquaza L	172	680
LT	Stakataka	150	570
LG	Ting-Lu L	143	570
C	Dialga L	156	680
RG	Groudon L	140	670
RT	Giratina L	150	680
DE	Regigigas L	144	670
NT	Melmetal L	152	600
DE	Roaring Moon	138	590
OLB	Koraidon L	156	670
ILB	Solgaleo L	147	680
ILB	Slaking	158	670
OLB	Zamazenta L	154	660
CB	Lugia L	159	680
CB	Zacian L	160	660
S	Arceus L	156	720
S	Ho-Oh L	154	680

Offense 97.5, defense 92.7, Team OVR 95.1, 14,320 BST spent. Odds of 17-0: 97%, 17.0 expected wins.

Best Pokémon at every position

Position scores as the game works them out: 85 is an average final-form Pokémon at that spot, each 20 points is one standard deviation. Final forms only. Budget = best at 450 BST or less.

Spot	What it scores	Best	No Legendary	Gen I	Budget
QB Quarterback	SpA 45%, HP 25%, SpD 20%, Size 10%	Eternatus L 155	Raging Bolt 142	Mewtwo L 140	Sunflora 95 (425 BST)
HB Halfback	Atk 40%, Spe 40%, HP 20%	Slaking 146	Slaking 146	Mewtwo L 129	Squawkabilly 99 (417 BST)
FB Fullback	HP 25%, Atk 25%, Size 20%, Build 20%, Def 10%	Melmetal L 148	Iron Hands 142	Snorlax 129	Clodsire 104 (430 BST)
WR Wide Receiver	HT 45%, Spe 30%, SpA 15%, HP 10%	Eternatus L 217	Wailord 155	Mewtwo L 134	Arbok 110 (448 BST)
TE Tight End	SpA 25%, HT 25%, Atk 15%, Spe 15%, HP 10%, Def 10%	Eternatus L 189	Celesteela 139	Mewtwo L 144	Arbok 97 (448 BST)
LT Left Tackle	Def 25%, Size 25%, HT 20%, HP 15%, SpD 15%	Eternatus L 153	Stakataka 150	Gyarados 120	Clodsire 102 (430 BST)
G Guard	HP 25%, Atk 20%, Def 20%, Build 20%, Size 15%	Melmetal L 152	Iron Hands 142	Snorlax 123	Clodsire 101 (430 BST)
C Center	HP 17%, Atk 17%, Def 17%, SpA 17%, SpD 17%, Spe 8%, Size 7%	Arceus L 165	Slaking 140	Mewtwo L 144	Seaking 78 (450 BST)
RT Right Tackle	Def 30%, HP 25%, SpD 15%, Size 15%, Build 15%	Giratina L 150	Stakataka 137	Snorlax 122	Clodsire 105 (430 BST)
DE Defensive End	Atk 35%, Spe 30%, HP 15%, Size 10%, HT 10%	Regigigas L 144	Slaking 143	Mewtwo L 127	Arbok 95 (448 BST)
NT Nose Tackle	HP 25%, Def 25%, Build 20%, Atk 15%, Size 15%	Melmetal L 153	Avalugg 141	Snorlax 121	Clodsire 100 (430 BST)
OLB Outside Linebacker	Atk 30%, Spe 30%, SpD 20%, HP 10%, Def 10%	Koraidon L 156	Roaring Moon 142	Mewtwo L 134	Togedemaru 94 (435 BST)
ILB Inside Linebacker	Atk 30%, HP 25%, Def 25%, Spe 20%	Slaking 158	Slaking 158	Mewtwo L 127	Klawf 100 (450 BST)
CB Cornerback	Spe 40%, SpD 30%, Def 15%, Atk 10%, HP 5%	Zacian L 160	Iron Boulder 138	Mewtwo L 135	Dugtrio 95 (425 BST)
S Safety	SpD 30%, Spe 30%, Atk 25%, HP 15%	Arceus L 156	Roaring Moon 148	Mewtwo L 136	Togedemaru 95 (435 BST)

Scenarios

How often each scenario's goal is reached, with the game's Auto-fill and with the habit above (same spins, 10,000 runs each).

Team OVR and the odds of 17-0

Each game is a coin weighted by your offense against their defense and your defense against their offense, so only offense + defense matters: a 70/50 team has the same odds as 60/60. The game scales the opponents to the pool (Gen I opponents are 16 points weaker than with all generations), so the same OVR is worth more in Gen I.

How the game scores a team

• Every spot scores a Pokémon on a mix of nine numbers: its six base stats plus Size (from weight), HT (from height) and Build (weight per height). The mix for each spot is in the positions table above.
• The score is a weighted geometric mean, so one weak stat costs more than in an average, then it's compared with every non-Legendary final form at that spot: 85 is average.
• Offense and defense are the weighted averages of their 11 spots, rescaled to 0–100. QB counts 2, guards, center, right tackle and fullback 0.75, the rest 1.
• Team OVR is the average of the two. Each of the 17 games is won with a chance set by the gap between your sides and the opponent's; the odds of 17-0 are all 17 multiplied together.

Questions

Is 17-0 Pokémon Football the same game as All 22 Pokémon?

No. 17-0 Pokémon Football at poke17-0.com is its own game with its own formulas: position scores from base stats, weight and height, a BST salary cap in Free Draft, and 17 fixed opponents. All 22 Pokémon at all22pokemon.com has a 17–0 Challenge of its own, with region and type rolls and a Team Score out of 1000. This page is about poke17-0.com; the rest of this site is about All 22 Pokémon.

How do I go 17-0 in Spin & Pick?

Pick the offer that beats what a normal spin gives at an open spot by the most, weighted by how much that spot counts, and re-spin when nothing does. Played that way the same spins went 17-0 23% of the time in Gen I (Auto-fill 14%) and 17% with all generations (Auto-fill 7%). Setting Options to 6 raises it to 30% and 40%.

What is the best Free Draft team?

With the default 10,800 BST cap and all generations, the best possible 22 has a Team OVR of 72 and goes 17-0 31% of the time; it puts Kyogre at QB and Eternatus at WR and spends almost nothing at C. With no cap it is 97%. In Gen I the best at 10,800 is 34%, with Mewtwo at QB.

What Team OVR do I need to go 17-0?

With all generations, about 76 for even odds of 17-0 and 87 for 90%. In Gen I the opponents are scaled down, so 60 is enough for even odds.

Which position matters most?

Quarterback: it counts twice as much as any other offensive spot, 18.6% of the offense. Guards, center, right tackle and fullback count least (7.0% each).